Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice

Here is a press release from Hillary Clinton Campaign:


Clinton Not Seeking To Be Obama's VP Choice -Clinton Campaign

WASHINGTON (AFP)--Democrat Hillary Clinton is not seeking to be Barack Obama's choice for vice president, her campaign said Thursday.

"While Senator Clinton has made clear throughout this process that she will do whatever she can to elect a Democrat to the White House, she is not seeking the vice presidency, and no one speaks for her but her," the campaign said in a statement.

"The choice here is Senator Obama's and his alone," the statement said.

Obama clinched the Democratic nomination for president this week, and Clinton has said she'll formally bow out of the race Saturday.

The media totally blew out of propotion here earlier comments:

The senator's remarks came in response to a question from Democratic Rep. Nydia Velazquez who said she believed the best way for Obama to win over key voting blocs, including Hispanics, would be for him to choose Clinton as his running mate.

"I am open to it," Clinton replied, if it would help the party's prospects in November.



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Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (2.00 / 2)

Can we now dispense with the "Obama won't win unless...."  comments...?  If she does not want the job, he should not ask.  Asking and having her turn it down would weaken him immediately....


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:07:27 PM EST

Hillary speaks for herself (none / 0)

I do not know who you are talking about.


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by indydem99 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:09:27 PM EST
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Re: Hillary speaks for herself (2.00 / 2)

posters on here who threaten that Obama will not win without Clinton on the ticket.

If she does not want the job, then that is that.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:14:01 PM EST
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They are not speaking for her! (2.00 / 1)


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by indydem99 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:17:40 PM EST
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Re: They are not speaking for her! (2.00 / 1)

ummm... one would assume they never have been speaking for her.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:19:44 PM EST
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Hmm (2.00 / 1)

I don't think it is so much that she doesn't want it or wouldn't accept as it is that she isn't pushing for it.


by ProgressiveDL on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:43:00 PM EST
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Re: Hmm (1.00 / 0)

There may be confusion as to who is pushing for it.  Without a doubt, some of her supporters are pushing for it.  Does anyone know if Hillary is, in fact, "pushing" for it?  


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:44:53 PM EST
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Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (none / 0)

Can he?


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:59:38 PM EST
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Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (2.00 / 2)

To put in simple terms, pure Clintonian. And I mean that in a good way. Now we can get on with the more quiet subtle dance of "No, I don't want it," but yes, I really want it! Obviously, this makes it easier for Obama to actually pick her -- if he wants to pick her, of course.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:24:35 PM EST

She made a simple statement (none / 0)

And people like you blew it out of proportion:

The senator's remarks came in response to a question from Democratic Rep. Nydia Velazquez who said she believed the best way for Obama to win over key voting blocs, including Hispanics, would be for him to choose Clinton as his running mate.

"I am open to it," Clinton replied, if it would help the party's prospects in November.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:32:37 PM EST
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Re: She made a simple statement (2.00 / 1)

"People like me?" What do you mean?


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:59:59 PM EST
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Re: She made a simple statement (none / 0)

Clinton was floating a trial balloon. And Bob Johnson and Lanny Davis, with her permission, floating their own balloons.

When there was negative reaction, including from her supporters like Ed Rendell, to the fact that this was being done, Clinton pulled back as to preserve her prospects.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:26:14 PM EST
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Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (none / 0)

Since neither of us are their heads we are guessing, but as a guess I think this is a good one.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:33:04 PM EST
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nah. (2.00 / 2)

i really dont think she wants it.  its a crap job and at first i thought it was a good idea - but now no.  can you imagine the gop ads?  HRC was calling for the assassination of BO - then showing the press releases his campaign sent, 'see even he thought so'.

no.

HRC should not take VP if offered.


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by canadian gal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:34:32 PM EST
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Re: Agreed (none / 0)

It would not be in their best interest.


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by indydem99 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:36:10 PM EST
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Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (2.00 / 3)

The Hillary-hate is all over the MSM.  Frankly, that's a mistake come November.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:31:23 PM EST

Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (none / 0)

What are you talking about? Her strongest supporters in Congress had to tell her to a) concede already and b) not push to be on the ticket as vp.

The media REPORTED this - that's a presentation of those facts, not "hate."


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:27:48 PM EST
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Is this pushing for VP spot?? (none / 0)

The senator's remarks came in response to a question from Democratic Rep. Nydia Velazquez who said she believed the best way for Obama to win over key voting blocs, including Hispanics, would be for him to choose Clinton as his running mate.

"I am open to it," Clinton replied, if it would help the party's prospects in November.

Are you deranged??


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:36:45 PM EST
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You should recognize by now that politicsmatters (none / 0)

is way smarter than we are on the subject of politics, and always either has the correct answer, or knows the truth. ;-)


by aggieric on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:46:21 PM EST
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Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (2.00 / 1)

It seems to me that Hillary's most rabid supporters are demanding the VP option, and will take the lack of an offer as extreme disrespect for their candidate.  Hillary recognizes this, but doesn't want the job.  Therefore, to make everyone happy, the following bit of kabuki theater must take place:  Obama must publicly offer her the VP spot, and pretty quickly here, and she must publicly refuse it.  That should satisfy everyone and we can shut up and move on.


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:43:39 PM EST

Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (2.00 / 1)

Sounds like she's spurning a potential offer before it's even asked. That may work better as it clears Obama of a responsibility to publicly ask Clinton now for the spot on the ticket.


by elrod on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:23:11 PM EST
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Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (1.00 / 0)

I think your obsrvations are correct on both counts:
  1.  She doesn't want it.
  2.  Offering it to her and her refusal still allows her to bring her supporters into the party's "fold".

Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:50:07 PM EST

Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (none / 0)

But it wouldn't be good for Obama to be seen as getting his second choice.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:28:23 PM EST
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Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (1.00 / 0)

Nor would it be good for Obama to piss off 18M Hillary voters.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:50:50 PM EST
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Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (none / 0)

Why would it piss off Hillary voters if Obama doesn't offer her something that she has publicly said she doesn't want?


by Aris Katsaris on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:23:40 PM EST
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Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (none / 0)

Clinton now understands that the only way she'll get a VP offer is if Obama doesn't look as though he's being forced in any way.  Or she's figured out that she doesn't want the job (and think that's the right call, what her supporters are trying to do is give her some sort of consolation prize, but the job itself would make her miserable).


by IncognitoErgoSum on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:52:41 PM EST

I really don't think she wants the job (none / 0)

She knows it is a very crappy job.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:54:21 PM EST
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Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (2.00 / 1)

The analysis in the comments thread is, in my judgment, flawed. It is not quite so simple to announce she doesn't want it. To reject the opportunity to be the first viable female Vice Presidential candidate (Ferraro was a hail mary)would be seen as a slap in the face to the women who support her and as a rejection of the Obama candidacy as being unlikely to win. Should Obama not select her, or should Hillary decline it, it would have to be framed in a very delicate way that I cannot yet fathom.

My own opinion on this is that she really doesn't want it: been there, done that. If Obama wins the election without her she will devote herself to becoming the new lion of the Senate. If he loses, she's the leading (dare I say "inevitable") candidate for the 2012 nomination and the defacto head of the party. (Losing general election candidates don't head parties. See John Kerry for an explanation.)

I beiieve what she does want is for Obama to help restore her standing in the African American community, provide cover for the courageous AA leaders who backed her at great political risk, guarantees that mandated universal health care will be in the party platform and debt relief. The VP ehing is a maguffin.


by STUBALL on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:18:47 PM EST

Agree with some reservations (none / 0)

A large portion of her supporters want her on the ticket.  My own feeling is that a much smaller portion, although not so small in actual numbers, would prefer that she not be on the ticket.  These supporters have strong anti-Obama feelings and voting against the ticket if she were on it would present a tough dilemma for them.

I'm not sure she is the favorite for 2012 if Obama loses.  Obviously, there is a very strong anti-Hillary sector in this party and its numbers have increased during the primary.  A large part of them will blame her for an Obama loss regardless of whether or not she has any responsibility for that.  I see her being dogged by these people even in 2012 if she runs.  They'll never admit that Obama may have lost for reasons having nothing to do with Clinton.  They will demand traitors to blame for the loss and Clinton and her supporters will be the most likely targets.


by lombard on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:11:02 PM EST
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Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (none / 0)

If Clinton said she wasn't interested in the VP job I think that would end it (Obama has basically offered her a job in the cabinet, she could say she wanted to concentrate on passing health care in the Senate, etc.).  My hunch is she'll conclude she doesn't want the job but she's not there yet.  My second hunch is that Obama doesn't want to give it to her (and not for disrespectful reasons--they're both alphas, she can't really play the role of mentor or youthful up-and-comer, it's just a bad fit).

Who knows, of course, but if Obama loses in November I don't think Clinton has a lock on the nomination in 2012 (and don't think she'd be considered the leader of the party anymore than she was two years ago).  The same fissures and faultlines would exist.  Clinton's problem from the very beginning is that approx. 40% of the party are ardent admirers, but once she passes that point support gets soft.  If that weren't true she would have won this year.

You're completely right, though, that Clinton's big goal at this point is probably to enlist Obama's help in smoothing over relations between her and the African-American community.  This is an issue both about legacy and her future viability as a presidential aspirant.  

What's likely to happen in 2012 or 16, I suspect, is that someone like Mark Warner is going to run, Clinton will throw her hat into the ring as well, and whomever gets the African-American vote will be the nominee (and that's one of the big cards Obama has to play right now, she really needs him as much as the other way, because without that she could reach 49% and lose to a different coalition, Clinton's achilles heel, if we're talking about future races, is that she's probably not the darling of "hard working white people" her campaign claimed, they liked her better than Obama, which isn't quite the same thing).
 


by IncognitoErgoSum on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:16:53 PM EST
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Re: Hillary not seeking to be Obama's VP choice (none / 0)

What she is saying is appropriate.  If rational, cool, analytical minds look at where Obama needs to improve, I think such analysts will agree that Hillary has the ability to help him in ways that others choices can't.


by khyber900 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:02:41 PM EST


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